S Ahmad Registered Member Posts: 10 (6/24/05 5:05 pm) Reply

Re: Sponsorship scandal , Judy Sgro and Jama,at e Ahmadiyya

while replying to Canadian media's questions Canadian Immigratin minister Judy Sgro mentioned that up coming Ahmadiyya conference in July will be attended by half a million (500,000) Ahmadies...She further confirmed that over one million (1000,000) Ahmadies are in Canada and Ahmadies are doing great job for Canada..... I personally believe that it is wrong for a purily religious organization to take part in dirty politics and money making bussiness...due to our involvement in pakistani politics , we suffered a lot... I feel that 500,000 and 1000,000 (1 million ) fiqures mentioned by the minister are wrong, can any body put more light on this issue??? I request AkbarC to update us on this important issue...

Edited by: S Ahmad at: 6/25/05 4:15 pm

US420 Registered Member Posts: 46 (6/24/05 8:22 pm) Reply

Re: Sponsorship scandal , Judy Sgro and Jama,at e Ahmadiyya

Dear S.Ahmed: One million has six zeros (not five). Almost all ahmadies are registered in Canada and have a unique code. The code is in series. For example those who came in 70's are within about 3000. At present the total is still around 15,000. This include people who came and left and those who have died. The facility at the International Centre (in Mississauga) where Jalsa is being held cannot hold half a million people. My best guess is that under 15,000 will attend, including visitors from outside Toronto and Canada. As for politics and Jamat. They have always claimed to be non-political but have always taken the opportunity to meddle in politics. There is nothing wrong getting involved in politics but it should be done to serve public not oneself.

S Ahmad Registered Member Posts: 11 (6/25/05 4:22 pm) Reply

Re: Sponsorship scandal , Judy Sgro and Jama,at e Ahmadiyya

Thanks Us420, I have corrected the fiqure, according to Canadian media and Judy Sgro there are 1000,000 (1 million) Ahmadis are in Canada, and 500,000 will be attending "jalsa" or "conference" this year..... I guess our Ahmadi leadership has given wrong figures to her and she believed them without confirming it... How many Ahmadies will stay in Canada as "refugees" after this 500,000 conference....as prices of our bungalows in Rabwah and Lahore touch the range of million dollar houses..we reap fruits of Germany and Canada... as well... Good for tax payers of Canada...

shahid Moderator Posts: 725 (6/25/05 4:57 pm) Reply

Re: Sponsorship scandal , Judy Sgro and Jama,at e Ahmadiyya

A million Ahmadis in Canada? With half a million attending the Jalsa? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

US420 Registered Member Posts: 48 (6/25/05 7:16 pm) Reply

Jalsa Figures

I attended the Jalsa Salana today. I could not get into women's hall but on the mens side I can say there could not be more 5,000 at best. Tomorrow's gathering is expected to be larger becuase of closing ceremonies, final speech from KH5 and guest speeches. We will see.

Mushtaq Malik Registered Member Posts: 390 (6/26/05 4:17 pm) Reply

Judy Sgro's Statement

while replying to Canadian media's questions Canadian Immigratin minister Judy Sgro mentioned that up coming Ahmadiyya conference in July will be attended by half a million (500,000) Ahmadies...She further confirmed that over one million (1000,000) Ahmadies are in Canada and Ahmadies are doing great job for Canada..... Can someone please paste the reference to the statement of Judy Sgro's statement regarding 1 Million Ahmadies in canada?

Secular Registered Member Posts: 294 (6/26/05 4:27 pm) Reply

24000/

According to an ahmedi friend first day attendence was 24000/ total, where its not big there same time it shows a sign of good organization and attachment to their faith, its nothing to do with truth or falshood. P.S. Spell check is not working, so plz ignore any mistake.

S Ahmad Registered Member Posts: 12 (6/26/05 5:12 pm) Reply

Re: 24000/

About the statement of the Canadian Immigration minister Judy sgro in which she mentioned about one million Ahmadies in Canada , and about half a million attending "jalsa" one can check the link www.thehilltimes.ca/html/...ngelo/&c=1

S Ahmad Registered Member Posts: 13 (6/26/05 5:17 pm) Reply

Re: 24000/

check following link also to read about it more in the Canadian newpaper Globe and Mail www.theglobeandmail.com/s...y/National

S Ahmad Registered Member Posts: 14 (6/26/05 5:47 pm) Reply

Re: 24000/

John Ibbitson of globe and mail also wrote about Ahmadiyya jamaat's involvement in Politics, which is illegal .....as a religious charity is not allowed to take part in politics , ......and it is illegal to spend religious donations on dirty politics.. John has files on this issue and any body who wants to share some information with him can reach on his e-mail address jibbitson@globeandmail.ca

AkberC Registered Member Posts: 726 (6/26/05 6:28 pm) Reply

Charitable politics

The "religious leader" referred to in the article is Naseem Mahdi -- a person who makes Liberal politicians jump in Canada: through the huge contribution of Ahmadiyya funds through personal donations and thousands of hours of volunteer time. This is why Mr. Mahdi is in Canada and will continue to be in Canada. And do not think that the Conservative party is not aware of this -- Mike Harris almost built a garbage dump right next to Baitul Islam in Vaughan. Now, they have Sgro holed up on accepting bribes: on-behalf donations + permit request = bribe The Liberals did damage control by taking the insignificant case of Brampton pizza-store owner (proven liar and opportunist and since deported) as the last straw - but that was not the case: it was two National Post reporters in Ottawa hot on the case of the Ahmadiyya-Sadiq-permits angle that prompted the immigration minister to resign. Sgro's chief of staff has taken the blame but that is just to fool the gullible -- the signature was that of the honourable Minister and chief-of-staff is another name for private secretary -- and such people are hired for loyalty. I wonder how many and what level of Liberal party members showed up today at the Canada Jalsa 3rd day - I would doubt that it included Sgro. I think we will have to wait for another party to take power before they investigate the charitable status of the Ahmadiyya: 1. Not providing for the welfare of its members in need - primary goal of charity. In other words, nothing free is ever provided except meeting places or leaflets. Even books are sold at profit. 2. Breaking the law by funnelling money to London through the Earth station in US and through other personal channels. Canadian law requires charities that spend money outside Canada to have personnel stationed there. (like work in Africa) Jama'at took care of that loophole by reserving a spot for the satellite earth station on American territory in Canada's name - and appointing a Canadian - Maulana Munir Ahmad - to be the full-time employee there. There are TWO sets of budget - one official and one under the table with "hissa markaz" (Centre's share) on one but not the other. The only way to reconcile the two is through money laundering. 3. Spending millions to influence elections at all levels of government.